Monday, June 4, 2007

Thoughts on MRSA

The ER serves a large population of people that have a history of MRSA, most of them the community acquired strain which causes the epidemic of abscesses we are currently dealing with.

When you are in the hospital and you are known to have a drug resistant organism you are put on isolation. That means you are expected to stay in your room, except when leaving to go to a diagnostic test, and people entering the room wear a protective gown and gloves which are removed when they leave the room. This is to keep the organism being spread from room to room, patient to patient, on our hands and clothing.

The ER is a little different. These people come in and sit in the lobby with everyone else, the use the public bathroom. They sit in the triage room (which is never cleaned as far as I can tell) in the same chair that everyone else uses. Then when they come back to a room they get put on isolation. I dunno, to me that just makes no sense at all.

I don't know how it is at other hospitals but anywhere I have ever worked housekeeping is pretty poor. The public has an idea of hospitals as gleaming clean but that is just not the case. The truth is, in an effort to make as much money as possible, most hospitals hire the fewest housekeepers possible and pay them minimum wage with no benefits. What you get in return is a revolving door of people who are working there because they can't get another job at the moment and move on as soon as possible. While they are there there is no real incentive to do a good job. They are overwhelmed by the amount of cleaning they are supposed to do daily, there is no way that one person could do it, so they just do what they can, and it is never enough. If you look closely, you'll see grime in the corners, dust on the ceiling vents, the tops of the furniture wiped, but the sides and bottoms grimy. Floor waxing, which should be done quarterly, done once a year or less. Have you ever seen the chairs in the waiting room wiped down? I didn't think so.

But I'll bet the executive offices are clean.

17 comments:

Rhoda said...

I have seen worse. I have asked to be isolated coming into the ER and had them refuse putting us in a shared room and then taking no precautions, not even hand washing, coming and going.

Nurse K, Generic ER Nurse said...

95% of the time, the patient doesn't bother to let you know they have MRSA. And, ERNursey, your hospital is still ghetto. I think our starting salary for housekeepers is like $12/hr with full benefits (more than most other housekeeping-type jobs). Our floor in the ER is waxed at least 1 time per week and, since I've started in the ER, we've had the same housekeepers since I've started at least.

MonkeyGirl said...

I don't even like to put my FEET on the floor in my ER, it's so nasty. You couldn't PAY me to sit in a lobby chair or lay on a gurney. Ew, gross. But it LOOKS pretty clean. That's all that matters, right?

But our housekeepers get paid fairly well, too. Though they have to work their arses off. Oh wait, so do we. Never mind.

Anonymous said...

you guys are scaring me...no, wait, my wife is a health inspector...the stories she tells scare me...you guys get them after the meal...

Kiki B.(former OB RN) said...

Or, they get rid of housekeeping on the late shifts, and expect the nurses to clean on top of everything else they have to do. And, that's on top of being left short-staffed day in and day out. I worked for a hospital system like that for awhile, and actually took a pay cut to get away from the hell hole. I won't name the system, but it's still around, even though it shouldn't be after it internally imploded, and many of their higher ups were arrested for medicare/medicaid fraud.

Kate said...

I found you by way of Bab's blog. I'm glad I did!

At my hospital, I've tried from day one to figure out why it is that I have to "iso up" to go into the patient's room, only to find out that behind those closed doors there is no patient. They're out taking a walk with their family, or have left the hospital, walked two blocks to the smoking area and are calmly out there with everyone else needing nicotine. And, I can't tell you how many times the docs have come in, actually touching the patient with no iso gear on. Boggles the mind...or at least mine! And, the other day I saw a patient walking the halls with his IV pole buddy - barefoot. I almost gagged at the thought of having bare feet in a hospital. Ugh!!!

DisappearingJohn said...

I must have it pretty good. Our housekeepers are the best! We actually complain that they scrub the floors too much! (The scrubbers are loud, and its always at three in the morning)

Any patient we get who has EVER been treated for a resistant organism is given a flourescent pink arm band by registration, so we all know its there. We don't have a slew of iso rooms, so not all of them are isolated, but we try

Melina said...

I can't imagine a hospital here in the States as bad as the one I saw when I went to visit my Grandmother in Greece, she was in the "Cancer" hospital and it was the most disgusting thing I've ever seen. There was only one bathroom on each floor, (for patients, visitors, nurses and doctors). People came in and out with out washing hands and then going to see a patient, a doctor actually saw a patient in my grandmothers room that had a cold because they didn't want to wait in the ER, (if that's what you want to call it an ER) I was horrified. I told my father, lets get her home, it is much cleaner there. Oh and people smoked in the hospital in the hallways.

But I'm sure there are some hosiptals here that are pretty bad too and I bet you are right the Execs. offices are spotless. Go figure!

GingerJar said...

WEll..and I was listening to the hearings today on CNN about the TB resistant strain guy who flew out of the country...with the arrogance to expose everybody on a plane, then snuck back into the country because he was afaid he "might die" under the medical care of another country. He should go to JAIL...and be put in an isolation without the benifit of tv or other fun stuff. Or how about just sitting him out...where everybody he exposed could take a pot-shot at him. Just because he is a lawyer he thinks he can expose innocent people to mega germs ... at least some of the people who show up at the ER are not aware they are carrying all those nasty little bugs with them....

also...remember your blog about insurance...apparently somebody with the CDC actually tried to get an air ambulance for him...to attempt to get him aback to the US with ISOLATION capacity but couldn't get it CLEARED by his insurance carrier....go figure.

I live near the border of Mexico...and we get TB patient's all the time...who have snuck into the country sick. Guess who is paying for their care?? Bet it is not their "insurance", oh , forgot...they don't have any..........

azn8tive said...

Reading all of this really makes me think twice about going to the ER or a doctor's office. I've spent a fair amount of time in a pediatrician's office with my kids. Ugh! To think what may have been on those floors,etc. At least, I didn't let my kids play on the floor or go barefoot.

P.S. I love your blog. :)

The Patients Voice said...

the icarecafe would really like your help with a discussion on MRSA

Dear Group

As you many know the icarecafe has been set up to provide a space for patients, carers and their supporters online.

Some of the members have set up a discussion group on the subject of MRSA. The group has asked lots of questions which are still in the process of being answered. So we thought it appropriate if we invited people from other MRSA discussion group and blogs to ask if they wished to participate.

To have a look at the discussions so far please have a look at

http://www.icarecafe.com/?page_id=1107&group_id=71

Please do feel free to join in the discussions and to post any information which might be of interest to our members.

If you have any questions please feel free to get in touch. I’m one of the moderators of the icarecafe and I can be contacted by sending and internal email to my profile.

Thanks very much in advance for your help!

Best wishes
Belinda Shale
Moderator – the icarecafe

http://www.icarecafe.com

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